Blues Theory Home › Forums › Community Forum › Blues Theory Tagged: Blues soloing theory modes This topic contains 12 replies, has 6 voices, and was last updated by Trent Lancaster 1 year ago. Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total) Author Posts July 19, 2018 at 1:16 pm #176430 Trent LancasterParticipant Hey guys, I have a question about some theory. There’s a song called Cissy Strut by The Meters. The main lick is played in C Minor pentatonic, but the chords behind it are A# major and F major. How are they able to play a C Minor pentatonic over a IV to I chord progression that’s in F major? In the key of F, the C is the perfect fifth, making it Mixolydian (a major sound), not any type of minor sound. Does anyone have any insight on this? 0 likes July 19, 2018 at 1:30 pm #176431 Trent LancasterParticipant Unless the key is A# major? Then it’d be a I to V chord progression, and the C would be C Dorian, which makes more sense to me. 0 likes July 19, 2018 at 1:41 pm #176432 Jak AngelescuKeymaster Well, I know that C minor scale has an F and an A# in it, but I think the A# chord in c minor would have to be diminished. I’m not smart with theory but you asking this question is making me dig into it to try and exercise what I DO know. But from my experience is that minor scales can have major sound depending on what they are played over and how they end. And major scales can sound minor for the same reason. Hopefully someone can ge better answer. But your logic of A# major sounds logical!🤗 1 person likes this July 19, 2018 at 1:57 pm #176433 Holly LingleParticipant Hey there! There’s a good chance the song is in E flat major. Which would make the A-sharp major the 5th , which can also be played as a 7th chord. That tends to happen with blues comment so what happens is if you play that 6th Scale as a pentatonic it will work and get a bluesy sound because the C minor is the 6th period You could be playing the Dorian if you played the F Scale. But what most likely is happening is the song is probably in E flat major or C minor. Give that a try and let me know what happens. 2 likes July 19, 2018 at 2:22 pm #176434 Holly LingleParticipant OK just got to check out the song! I’d say that’s more of a jazz tune, and I would probably say is most likely in F. That C minor could work for sure because of the notes it omits. So you’re not exactly playing a full C minor so the pen atonic would work . Especially because it’s the 5th Pretty cool song though! 2 likes July 19, 2018 at 3:28 pm #176437 Ids SchiereParticipant To me it seems like for that particular chord progression A# is the I and F is the V. In this case C would be the ii making is C dorian. Dorian has a minor feel and also contains all the notes of C minor pentatonic and c minor pentatonic has the root and the fifth of both the A# and F in it.you could also use F major over this chord progression but that explains why you can use c minor pentatonic I don’t know the rest of the song but that’s the explanation for for those two chords 1 person likes this July 19, 2018 at 3:37 pm #176439 Trent LancasterParticipant Thanks guys, I watched a video of John Mayer play it, and he made it sound more bluesy then the original track. But anyways, thanks for your explanations, very helpful! Modes can get confusing sometimes 0 likes July 19, 2018 at 3:41 pm #176440 Ids SchiereParticipant Could you share that video of John Mayer playing it. I love his playing! 1 person likes this July 19, 2018 at 6:33 pm #176455 Christopher LonskiParticipant Yes, this is definitely C Dorian. The bass and main riff is centered around a C Blues lick, so that’s kind of solidifying the overall sound around “C”. Also they are bending the Eb up a little to add that extra blues flavor. And then the chords are Bb – F which kind of a I-V in Bb Major. But again, since they are centering around “C” in a Bb major harmony, it comes out to which mode? That’s right, Dorian. Another SUPER easy way to identify Dorian is when you have a minor key/lick and then you have a MAJOR IV chord. The IV in C is F major. So a C minor lick, Bb Major in a C minor sound is diatonic, and occurs naturally in a C minor scale. The F major chord raises the Ab (which is normally in C minor) to an A natural making it Dorian. Normally the F chord in a C natural minor scale is F minor. C minor w/ flat 6 (Aeolian) C D Eb F G Ab Bb C C minor w/ natural 6th (Dorian) C D Eb F G A Bb C 1 person likes this July 19, 2018 at 8:34 pm #176457 Trent LancasterParticipant Here’s the link with John Mayer playing it. And thank you all for the responses! 1 person likes this July 20, 2018 at 6:27 am #176472 Christopher LonskiParticipant I always half-joke that Im a psychic or clairvoyant. This is the reason why. I posted my response on here last night^ and then was watching boxing videos this morning and lo and behold- 1 person likes this July 27, 2018 at 5:21 pm #176698 Brian Haner Sr.Keymaster I didn’t hear The Meters version, but the Mayer version is pretty straight ahead. C Dorian. Cm-F (Key of Bb) Once in a while he plays a Bb/C which is just a sub for Cm. 3 likes July 28, 2018 at 12:57 am #176711 Trent LancasterParticipant Yea, these modes con be confusing sometimes but I’m starting to recognize their patterns more and more. Thanks! 1 person likes this Author Posts Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total) You must be logged in to reply to this topic.